Gun Club

[Jen]

Please reread my previous post. I answered your question in my previous post. If you choose to ignore the answer that is your choice. But I can't force you to try to understand it. It does provide me more privacy by saying Mountain Cove. Most people have never heard of Mountain Cove and it is no ones business where I live. Yes, I do take my privacy seriously: whether it is about having people know where I live (I don't care if it is Beverly Hills or Compton), or protecting myself from identity theft (which is another issue). My privacy is my business.

[Barcelona]

Lets not get testy... I just ask a question.

[Barcelona]

I just spent some time going through most of the post's.. Wow, you folks at MC want the gun club out in a big way..

Here's what I can gather from the rants.

The gun club has been there for 60 years.

MC development was constructed within the last 10 years.

Everyone who purchased a home in MC was informed via a legal disclosure that adjacent to the community is a gun club.

Now, because of the noise (war zone) issue those in MC want the gun club to move.

Good so far?

What if this:

The scenario exists, but instead of a gun club it was a hwy? Would the community want the hwy to move?

I'm not in California, it must be different in Florida, where I live.


I don't get the Liberals gun haters. You purchased a home in a depressed area, (Azusa) and you want premium prices for an area that has an average income of less than $40K/year(per your City link)?

I guess it must be that you are a gated community (I'm assuming) and you think that you are better than everyone else, as Liberals normally think! We had a similar issue in our county and the Lib's, who were better than those of us living away from the lake, complained...

Let me ask this:

Has there any accidents involving bullets? Have any bullets been fired onto your homes? Has anyone gotten hurt because of the gun club? I'm asking because I don't know.

Is the gun club producing more noise than allowed by the City Municipal code?

Does the gun club create a traffic problem to MC?

In this day and age it seems that it comes down to us vs them! The communist left and conservative right.

Having come from the communist left, I can tell you, I'll take the right every time!

[MC HOME OWNER]

Now, because of the noise (war zone) issue those in MC want the gun club to move.

Good so far?

No we are supporting city rezoning, which the city proposed. the city is not rezoning the whole city becuase of the MC. They are trying to bring the city to standards of the neighboring cities

What if this:

The scenario exists, but instead of a gun club it was a hwy? Would the community want the hwy to move?
It is not highway it is shooting range. that is apples to oranges

I'm not in California, it must be different in Florida, where I live.
It is


I don't get the Liberals gun haters. You purchased a home in a depressed area, (Azusa) and you want premium prices for an area that has an average income of less than $40K/year(per your City link)?
most residents of MC are conservative gun owners who are supporting their city redeveloping

I guess it must be that you are a gated community (I'm assuming) and you think that you are better than everyone else, as Liberals normally think! We had a similar issue in our county and the Lib's, who were better than those of us living away from the lake, complained...
unsure of this stereo type? Most gun clubber come from better area that dont allow this type of club

Let me ask this:

Has there any accidents involving bullets? Have any bullets been fired onto your homes? Has anyone gotten hurt because of the gun club? I'm asking because I don't know.
Not to my knowledge, but a new bike trail has been paved within striking distance. If the was a injury or fire started, would that make it ok? Why do we have to wait ?

Is the gun club producing more noise than allowed by the City Municipal code?
not sure of code , but i do know cars with music heard 50 ft away are cited. Gunshots are heard miles away

Does the gun club create a traffic problem to MC?
no

In this day and age it seems that it comes down to us vs them! The communist left and conservative right.
Having come from the communist left, I can tell you, I'll take the right every time!
This is not a right left issue for MC'r it is only that way for gun clubbers. If you came from comminist, you should understand that this is the way Democracy works, the people are being represented my there city officials, and they are not folding over to gunclubber threats. If you lived in our community you would understand
thanks for your interest

[Whispering willow]

Barcelona,
You must have not read all of the posts correctly or your questions would have been answered. However since I have a little time to kill I'll try to answer everything again.
First of all Azusa has some depressed areas and some very nice areas just like any city. California has some ofthe highest property values in the country. Our homes (MC) are valued at anywhere between $650,000.00 to around 1 million or more depending on the house and lot size. Yes we are a gated community but that was the developers idea not ours. Most of us came from surrounding middle class cities so most of us are not rich. We are hard working people just like you.
Second, the disclosure we signed was for the seller of the homes ( the developer in this case). That is a from that everyone in California signs when they buy a house, any house. It basically states the condition of the home and anything that needs to be disclosed under the law such as
bad roof or a nearby nuisance. This disclosure is only
to protect the seller from being sued. It does nothing to
deny the buyer their rights to speak up at their city council meeting when the city is going through a re-development process.
Thirdly,
This brings me to the re-development process. This is a process that every city goes through from time to time
to better direct the direction and changes taking place in
the town. This process encompases the entire town and there are many other business tha are affected. In this process residents are encouraged to comment about situations that affect them. tha city council is a body elected by the residents of the town to represent them.
Fourthly,
this gun club has been an issue for surrounding neighborhoods long before MC came into existance as noted by many of the city council members during the many meetings that took place. The gun club has done nothing outside of buying a few trees which they didn't even bother to plant to curb the noise.
And Lastly.
The residents of a town have the right to decide what they can live with and what they don't want and this town as well as all of our neighboring cities do not want this type of use in our backyards. This area has become to populated to bear such a us. We are not "gun haters" as you have labeled all of us. We are, however, peace lovers, our rights to have reasonable peace in our neighborhood is the same as yours. And by the way , as far as accidents, in a Pasadena gun range, a few years ago, before that one got enclosed by the city, there was a bullet that sparked a forest fire and a few bullets that entered nearby homes. And in this one there was a stray bullet that entered into Vulcan property, luckily it didn't find a target.
Sir, most of us are not too far right or too far left, we just want to come home and enjoy an outdoors barbeque or a book in our backyards without the constant stream of gun fire. Don't you think we are entitled to that simple
enjoyment of our property. I certaintly hope you never have to deal with such a constant invasion of your peace and quiet.
Did I answer all of your questions?

[Barcelona]

Whispering willow, I think you touched on most of my questions, but what about the hwy scenario?

Is not the noise from a busy hwy/street worst than that of bullets? I'm assuming that the gun club closes around 6:00pm or so, and doesn't re-open until 9:00am or so. Hwy/street noise is there all the time, not just certain times during the day.

If quiet is what you are looking for, then a house in mountains might better suited. As City noise, cars, trucks, planes, etc will always be there.

Seems funny that folks feel homes costing $600K-$1M are middle class... Hardly the case, I'm sorry.

You are not wealthy, but yes, you are rich!

The MAJORITY of the USA hardly lives in homes costing $600K+. And, how can this be based on the City's own demographics... Average income is less than $40K, that's the national average. If you make $40K/year, you can't afford a $600K home!

From the outside it looks like, again, the have and have-nots. You folks at MC, want to be the "have" on the backs of the "have-nots".

Take responsibility for what you did. You purchased a very nice home in an area that you knew had a gun club adjacent to it. Are we going to move the hwy because a few in the community complain?

[FloridaI dont think so]

Barceolna, come on now.....you know you're in Florida! You are probably I'd say.......somewhere in a range of 5-10 miles of the gun club. I say that because you just happened to mention it. You happened to stumble upon this site? You're not credible, and I think you're a little sore cause you have lost!!! Look, I happen to own firearms, and I have used the club, and I also live in Mountain Cove! I was'nt too thrilled of what has been going on with the ousting of the club, I actually could care less either way. The beautyof it is that the people have spoken, and they have been heard!! Get over it and find some porn site to get your thrills or frustrations out!! Azusa is going to change wether people like it or not!!! Bythe way...yu can go to La Puente gun club once the club closes,that's where I plan to go. If you are worried about demgraphics, and if you are in Florida which I highly highly doubt, go t statistics.com and look your area up. I've been to Florida and Not every place there is all that. If Florida is such a paradise....why is it that I can sell my home in Azusa, and by two in Florida with enough money to hang out with O.J. Simpson on the golf course looking for the real killers!!!Get off this site if your aching about your loss, start up waaaaawaaaaa.com if it does'nt already exist so all you haters can comfort each other...point made!

[Mirador Resident]

TO: Barcelona

From: A Mirador Resident


Does this mean that you don't want to be associated with Azusa?

Use to be that way…..When I first moved here 9 ½ years ago I would tell people I lived in North Azusa, in the canyon. Azusa is rising up. I don’t really care what Azusa’s Home Page states, but you can not buy a house in North Azusa on less than a $100,000 annual income! That means north of 11th.


Everyone who purchased a home in MC was informed via a legal disclosure that adjacent to the community is a gun club.

We in Mirador were told it was a “recreational” gun range. We were NOT informed law enforcement would be using high powered weapons and military weapons on an almost daily basis!


The scenario exists, but instead of a gun club it was a hwy? Would the community want the hwy to move?

We ARE on a Highway nimitz...….Hwy 39! And a sound study was done for that. If it hadn’t passed, then the developer would have been responsible for a sound wall. If it (sound study) had not been done, then the City would be responsible and would have to put one up!


I don't get the Liberals gun haters.

What a pathetic and stale statement that is becoming.

Do some of you suffer hearing loss from shooting guns off, or is it a comprehension disorder? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, OR HATING GUNS……IT HAS TO DO WITH NOISE POLUTION…………PERIOD

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?


BTW ~ We tell people we live in Mirador Lake Estates *snicker

[Mirador]

LMAO.....Now who's testy?

But it's obvious you still cannot hear, or just don't want to. It's not about "gun control" . But, you go ahead a spin it any way it makes you feel better.

[Mountain Times Editor]

Dear Barcelona,

The name calling is unnecessary. Your last post was deleted because of this. I'm sorry that you were offended by some of the posters. This issue has been a very heated one. Please try not to take it personally.

The way that you ask your questions were already biased to begin with. It does not matter what any of the residents say, your not going to like it. Your just going to get mad at them. Also, the gun club issue is not just about Mountain Cove. Some of the posters on this board who support the rezoning of the property as open space do not live in Mountain Cove. For example, Mirador is another community in Azusa that is near the gun range. Gates have nothing to do with this issue.

Mountain Cove is not an upper class neighborhood. The gun club and its supporters want to say that it is, but it is not. It would be considered a nice middle class neighborhood by California standards. In California, they put all kinds of communities behind gates, including inexpensive, middle class, and luxury apartment buildings, mobile homes, single family homes, and condos. The residents that live in Moutain Cove actually lean on the conservative side more than the liberal side. So screaming that we are liberals is actually a little humorous to Mountain Cove residents as well as some other residents that live in this area.

This issue has already been voted on by the city council, 5 to 0, to approve the change in the land use to open space. I don't see any point in people continuing this discussion, especially by people that do not even live in Southern California. Your not going to change the minds of the residents. Nor are the residents going to change your mind. Your just going to frustrate each other.

Time is a valuable thing. And most residents are ready to work on other issues to improve the city that we live in.

[Mountain Times Editor]

This web site was created for the residents. We have been told by several of the residents that the issues on this topic have been explained over and over again and they see no reason to continue to repeat themsleves. They are ready to work on other issues to make our city, the city of Azusa, better for the residents of all Azusans. This web site is here to help the local residents, not people in Florida. Because of this, this thread is now closed. Any posts below this thread will eventually be deleted. I ask that you please not post on this thread any more. Thank you.