Gun Club

[Interesting]

I found it interesting that the guy who runs the gun club didn't speak on his own behalf. Instead he had some slovenly PR guy who was VERY unimpressive and read so fast you could hardly understand him.

If the gun club is such a valuable asset, where are the hundreds of Azusans supporting it? They are mostly all out-of-towners. And why couldn't their leader speak up?

Another thing... they laughed when Burro Canyon was mentioned as an alternative? Would a gun club member please explain that? I can only assume that they feel it is an inferior range, but I'm curious. Thanks!

[GUNGUY]

mtncovelover4 said:

HEY TEKMANN, I WASNT EVEN TALKING TO YOU WHEN I SAID THAT, SO KEEP YOUR IDIOTIC, ANNOYING, COMMUNIST MOUTH SHUT! DOUCHEBAG!


I used to get banned for saying stuff like this

Is it OK now? If it is, then I will post again? ;D ;D

WELL mtncovelover4 IT SEEMS THAT IT IS ALLOWED, YOU COMMUNIST DOUCHEBAG! ;D SO GO AHEAD AND POST AAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL YYYYOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU ;D !

[tekmann]

Guest-RE said:

Tekmann, it was the other poster, "Hugger" - in support of the Gun Cub - that had the limited definition of the term "rights." He was baiting people to figure out what he's talking about, without actually elaborating on it himself... So any response to that effect would have, as you describe it, "put words in his mouth."

Twist people's words and then blame them for it. Nice job of spin control!

[tekmann]

Guest-RE said:

Tekmann, it was the other poster, "Hugger" - in support of the Gun Cub - that had the limited definition of the term "rights." He was baiting people to figure out what he's talking about, without actually elaborating on it himself... So any response to that effect would have, as you describe it, "put words in his mouth."

Twist people's words and then blame them for it. Nice job of spin control!

[Oh PUHLEEEEZ]

Guest-tekmann said:

Twist people's words and then blame them for it. Nice job of spin control!

I don't see how you couldn't possibly be aware, Tekkman, that - among all the posts you're responding to - the only person who is literally taking other people's comments and twisting them into meaning something different (something that of course suits your own argument) is you.

I mean, it's painfully obvious. I really hope you are aware of it, and that you're at least having a good laugh about it. Because otherwise you'd have to be delusional (which on the other hand, wouldn't surprise me, considering the crass insults and irrational ramblings I've heard coming from the mouths of other gun club supporters).

Like I read elsewhere, why are you coming here to a Mountain Cove web site if you don't care to intelligently debate this issue? Now it just seems like you're grasping at straws... is that perhaps what the gun club itself is doing right now, too?

[tekmann]

Guest-Oh said:

I don't see how you couldn't possibly be aware, Tekkman, that - among all the posts you're responding to - the only person who is literally taking other people's comments and twisting them into meaning something different (something that of course suits your own argument) is you.

Unfortunately, the archived facts don't agree with you. Go back a page and observe that...

In Reply #107, hugger wrote: "having a "noise ordinance" still does not give you a right. If you think about what a right is, then maybe you would understand. Maybe you are so confused about what rights are since you are so busy trying to take away other people's rights.

In the following Reply #108, Silver Springer offered his own spin of hugger's words and treated that spin as Gospel: "We're not confused... you're just unclear and so narrow in your own ideology, that you speak in language most people in the real world aren't going to get..... By "right," you are referring to a right on the Bill of Rights - as in the Right to Bear Arms. You're speaking in NRA-only language. Most of us just use regular English and exist outside the NRA bubble.... and sorry to tell you, but just because something isn't specifically designated as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, does not mean that such a right doesn't exist."

In telling us how he chose to interpret hugger's rather clear words, Silver Springer was quite effectively putting words in his mouth and assigning his own meaning... just as I wrote.

Hope this helps. Have a nice day.

[ALREADY seeing sore losers]

Guest-tekmann said:

In telling us how he chose to interpret hugger's rather clear words, Silver Springer was quite effectively putting words in his mouth and assigning his own meaning... just as I wrote.

Hope this helps.

No, it doesn't help a damn thing.

Hugger made an ominous statement about a noise ordinance "not being a right." Then opted not to explain what he meant, .... So someone dared to try and figure it out. Big fricken deal. Why shouldn't someone explain how they choose to interpret a statement that was, by all accounts, pretty much open for interpretation?

If "The Riddler" (aka Hugger) is running around leaving ominous clues, yet there's some strange expectation for everyone here to say nothing back and keep their mouths shut, then what's your excuse, Tekkman?

Pass that post up and you find someone else explaining how ordinances are put in place to protect the rights of others (a statement which you're ignoring probably because, hmmm... surprise!: it would go against your argument) - thus by extension affording a right to the residents for some (coming full circle here) peace and quiet.

But please, go ahead and pick on something else superfulous and not directly related to the gun club... because it seems like it's pretty clear to everyone now that you've ran out of ammunition where that's concerned.

Now you're just throwing dirt.... and even worse for you, your own hot air keeps blowing right back in your face.

[GUNGUY]

Guest-tekmann said:

Twist people's words and then blame them for it. Nice job of spin control!

WELL TEKMANN, AT LEAST THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB AT SOMETHING. UNLIKE YOURSELF! PROVE A POINT, MAKE SOME SENSE, DO SOMETHING MAN!! YOU ARE A SAD PATHETIC PERSON. YOU LACK PASSION AND COMMON SENSE. I HOPE YOU FIND WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. BEST OF LUCK. NOW GET BACK TO WORK! DING FRIES ARE DONE. ILL TAKE AN APPLE PIE WITH THAT!

[tekmann]

Guest-ALREADY said:

...thus by extension affording a right to the residents for some (coming full circle here) peace and quiet.

Which, of course, is why you purchased a home with full knowledge beforehand of the existence of the noise of the gun club. I see.

[McLite]

Guest-tekmann said:

Which, of course, is why you purchased a home with full knowledge beforehand of the existence of the noise of the gun club. I see.

All I see is that you have to get the last word on almost everything, even if you provide nothing of substance to say.

But all is not lost for you, Tekkie, as I'm awarding you 2 points for improvement - since you at least mentioned the gun club in your last comment.

[tekman]

Awe shucks i give up

[tekmann]

Guest-tekman said:

Awe shucks i give up

LOL! And now, a near forgery.

Most of you people are about four years old, aren't you?

[tekmann]

Guest-McLite said:

All I see is that you have to get the last word on almost everything, even if you provide nothing of substance to say.

But all is not lost for you, Tekkie, as I'm awarding you 2 points for improvement - since you at least mentioned the gun club in your last comment.

Yes, I'm sure that's "all you see". What you didn't happen to "see" even though the quotes were put right in front of you is that Silver Springer placed his own rather twisted interpretation on the words of another and offered it up as fact. No, you didn't see that because it didn't agree with your agenda. It's far easier to attack the messenger than it is to deal with the message.

Face it, you'll say whatever it takes, do whatever it takes, attack whomever it takes to rid yourself of an inconvenience that you were fully aware of before you purchased.

Of course, if I'd been dumb enough and arrogant enough to have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money on a house next to a noisy gun club on a flood plain in a fire-prone area, maybe I'd do the same thing, too. But I'm not; I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

[GunClub has Bad Representation]

Quoted with paraphrasing to assist competent members of the human race in understanding the rantings of an obsessed message board antagonist....

Guest-tekmann said:

What you didn't happen to "see" even though the quotes were put right in front of you is that Silver Springer placed his own rather twisted interpretation on the words of another and offered it up as fact. [watch me accuse someone else of something I just got accused of ... Original, huh?] No, you didn't see that because it didn't agree with your agenda....

[Here I go again taking someone elses accusation toward me and turning it around at them] Face it, you'll say whatever it takes, do whatever it takes, attack whomever it takes to rid yourself of an inconvenience that you were fully aware of before you purchased.... [blah, blah, blah.... Iknow! I'm saying the same lines OVER and OVER in every post. You know the drill! I just love bugging the crap out of you. It's like my whole reason for breathing...]

[Now I'll say something that I think is original and funny...] I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

[I'm just here spouting off crap aimlessly now. I know I'm fighting a losing battle, so I'm just here basically to start sh*t with people, insult MC Residents, denigrate all of Azusa, imply that it's only worth is a piece of meat we walk on to fire bullets around... I'm just venting my frustration. I know I've been asked repeatedly to engage in intelligent discussion, but I'm obviously incapable of doing that. So I'll just go on being a mere pest.]

YAAAAAAWN.

If the gun club has to send people to this message board to try and terrorize us, can they at least give us someone who makes at least a little more sense... and who is a lot more interesting and less monotonous as this guy?

His neverending merry-go-round of pointless comments and non-responses to actual arguments might make one dizzy... that is, if he weren't turning so damn slow.

[tekmann]

Guest-GunClub said:

Quoted with paraphrasing to assist competent members of the human race in understanding the rantings of an obsessed message board antagonist....


YAAAAAAWN.

If the gun club has to send people to this message board to try and terrorize us, can they at least give us someone who makes at least a little more sense... and who is a lot more interesting and less monotonous as this guy?

His neverending merry-go-round of pointless comments and non-responses to actual arguments might make one dizzy... that is, if he weren't turning so damn slow.

Nice try at spin control, but it won't fly. You just don't like having your own arrogance pointed out for all to see and so you're fighting back like a spoiled child. I gave exact quotes of both hugger's original remarks and of the spin placed upon them by Silver Springer which ultimately amounted to little more than an anti-NRA tirade. Don't take my word for it; the original remarks are still right here on the message board. And I'm not a representative of the gun club, nor have I ever even been on its premises; I'm just a Valley citizen who agrees with the writers of the many letters to the editor of the Tribune. Letters like the recent three below...

Moving gun range a mistake
20 December 2004
www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205%257E24946%257E2608384,00.html

Here we go again! A person moves into an area and then expects everything to change. This is the same as those who do something stupid and then sue because they can't admit to making a mistake.

I'm talking of the gun range in Fish Canyon that was there before I was born. Where I spent my Saturday's as a member of the Jr. Rifle Club, where guards, police and future military train. It's hard to find a group of people who are as friendly and helpful as you'll find at a range. The city is giving the range 18 months to move. Move where? It would be a lot easier for the person or persons to move. Unless it's the city who wants the land to build new homes?

Let me say what I think will happen: 1.) Everyone on the City Council must go! 2.) the range will get the NRA and they're lawyers involved. Plus, the hundreds of people who use the range will all give money for a legal defense. It will cost the people of Azusa thousands of dollars in their taxes for one person? I hope the people of Azusa think its worth it.

S. Sills, Azusa


21 Dec 2004
www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205%257E24946%257E2609407,00.html

Live with it

I can't understand how the people of the Mountain Cove (homes in Azusa) think that their quality of life overrides every thing and everyone else.

What a bunch of arrogant snobs. They knew the shooting range was there and signed off on it when they bought their homes. Now they want everyone else to bow to them as did the Azusa City Council.

These are the same arrogant types that bought on Aroma Drive next to the BKK. Corp. landfill, then cried like spoiled brats. These crybabies should all move someplace where there is nothing to disturb them. No trains, planes, cars, freeways, or anything else that other people live with.

<tekmann interjection: I remember that one. In their frenzy to move in, people never even wondered why a street built next to a former dump site might be called Aroma Drive. D'oh!>

Grow up Mountain Cove! Other people live here also and have rights. The range was here before some of you were born and has a right to exist with or without your blessings. Live with it or leave.

Lloyd A. Wilson, La Puente

Cityhood's bad example

All the remains for the little ole country gun club is to fire that last shot, blow taps and lower the flag.

Political and ecological incorrectness, real and imaginary (in that order) left it vulnerable to the wrath of the snobbish neighbors over at Mountain Cove, whose petulance could not have reached critical mass without intervention by Azusa city government, a.k.a. cityhood run amok.

They bought in to a simple complaint about routine daytime noise and watched it metastasize into a crusade rescuing helpless Little Nells tied to railroad tracks by mean old men an open and shut case of good versus evil if there ever was.

And so, the gun club is history.

No doubt the City Council was cut from the same sticky Velcro as those other spurious leadership types who we, the townsfolk of Hacienda Heights, fought so valiantly (no room for modesty here) to keep out of our lives. Our "No on cityhood' signs are ensconced in a place of honor (my garage) for the next time they will be called into service. And the next.

Harry S. (for nothing) Truman once referred to politicians as a breed for which he would not give a bucket of warm spit. Adjusting for inflation, this Azusa bunch is worth a great deal more than that.

Richard Taft, Hacienda Heights

[This Tekman is only ANNOYING]

You obviously love to use the word "spin" (maybe you're a big Bill O'Reilly fan trying to make himself feel smart). But here's a thought for you: why would anyone from Mountain Cove feel the need to "spin" anything in their favor on a MOUNTAIN COVE message board? You even used the phrase "for all to see," thought on this board, "all" would be MC residents. By the way, why are you HERE again? You're like a habitual trespasser-turned-obeseesed-stalker, and begging for a restraining order.

You just don't like having your own arrogance pointed out for all to see and so you're fighting back like a spoiled child.....

Coming from someone who just got sprayed, soaked, and nearly drowned with his own arrogace (though you desperately, repeatedly keep insisting otherwise) this would be funny if it weren't yet another replay of your boringly infamous M.O. And why would anyone here need to fight back in the spirit of a "spoiled child" considering our position in the situation (as illustrated by your own choice of editorial letters):

All the remains for the little ole country gun club is to fire that last shot, blow taps and lower the flag.... so the gun club is history.

Well, at least this guy from Hacienda Heights recognizes defeat when he sees it. Too bad he was just using the gun club issue as a sense-lacking introduction and desperate justification to talk about his real (but still outdated) problem, the Hacienda Heights cityhood movement:

No doubt the City Council was cut from the same sticky Velcro as those other spurious leadership types who we, the townsfolk of Hacienda Heights, fought so valiantly (no room for modesty here) to keep out of our lives.

Yes, thanks for that, Tekkman. When someone says you deliver hot air, you certainly don't disappoint.

[FEDUP]

As far as the tribune letters are concerned... I wrote in with a pretty good letter if I say so myself with the view of most of our residents and they did not print it. I also know of at least 2 others who did the same and their letters were also ignored. It seems obvious to me that whoever is in charge of deciding which letters get printed must be on the gun club's side as most of the letters are from their point of view. However, it's pretty silly as almost all the letters are from people who do not live in Azusa saying exactly the same thing over and over again as if the tribune readers need constant repetition to get their lame point. The other day I spoke to someone from Monrovia who is a gun club advocate and I almost fell off my chair in laughter when they said that the gun club should stay because the noise doesn't bother them. Of course it doesn't bother them they live a whole city away! The gun club and their members who live in other towns all share the same lame arguements!

[scfan]

You know, I have monitored the postings here for a while, and I can only remain quiet for so long. I understand where we as a neighborhood are coming from. Yes, the gun club can be annoying at times. Yet as I have seen so many people here post lately, We knew it was here when we decided to purchase.

It does not even phase me anymore. There are so many other wars we can choose to go to battle on. My bigger concern right now, is our City managment and where it is headed. I dont think the gun club is one of our priorities. (Not even in the top ten). Azusa is on the rise believe it or not and seems to be getting better in time. I can remember Azusa being compared to the El Montes, Baldwin Parks or Pomonas. That comparison is no longer. Azusa has grown so much and we need to "Help" contribute so that the momentum continues. Lets do our part and not try to carry the ball on our own, because if we try that, I see a big loss in our future. We need to be careful abouyt how we go abvout our wars or else we will be the target of the war from other city residents.

Here is something to think about. I have talked with numerous other residents in the City of Azusa. Many of the people I have talked with have pretty much had it with our noses being up in the air. The word is that we are a "bunch of snobs". (Mainly because of what they are able to read on this website). And let me tell you, it is very hard to argue with someone who is just as educated (who may not live in this area). I laughed because the person I talked with told me, "I went to school too, just like you Mountain Cove people have. When I asked him what he meant, he responded by saying, "look at your web postings, You and your residents think your s..t does not smell". He jokingly referred to us as wannabe Mr. and Mrs. Howells.

Now, let me touch on some of the things I have read here recently. Regarding the statement about the murder occuring in front of us and the gun shot was not heard, I must say, you are right, however that is a very inconsiderate thing to say about a senseless act.

And to the person who wrote the suspect learned to shoot at the gun club. Don't get sucked into a conversation like this. It does not matter where she learned. Additionally, All it takes is a pull of the trigger and that does not require much training. The point is, a victim is not alive anymore.

Thanks for hearing me out and having patience. I am not here to act like the almighty. I am only here to speak my mind and ask that we think before we speak.

[Jumping In]

Hello SCFan,

I'm not sure what comments you are speaking about that make us look like snobs. But from what I have read, you need to be careful which posts you take seriously and which posts are baiting people. There are some posters here that are antagonists. These people are only hear to get people riled up and angry. They are not here to have an intelligent discussion, looking for ways to make the community that we live in better. I choose to ignore them. These antagonists can also post under several names.

Also, I would think that most people would understand that none of these posts represent Mountain Cove. They only represent the opinions of the people that post them. And most residents don't even look at this board.

As for the "Gun Club" topic, have you noticed that when someone posts an informative intelligent post, that it is totally ignored? There was one that I read recently that was very informative and no one even commented on it. I found that odd. Look at reply 119.

I would recommend that people ignore the posts that are obviously designed to get people riled up and just respond to the ones that are intelligently presented.

[FEDUP]

Jumping in,
I agree with you, somehow the intelligent posts do not get an answer. Also, I think people are really mistaken about Mountain Cove residents being snobbish. I know lots of people up here and have yet to meet a snob. Most of us came from very middle class neighborhoods and saw an opportunity to move to a nicer home and neighborhood due largely to the boom in the real estate market. If we were so rich and snobbish we most likely would have gone to a more distinguished city like San Marino not Azusa. And as far as education, I have met people with many variations in this area, like in any other community. Unfortunately, people tend to label people with education because they feel inferior not because educated people go around waving their education like a flag. I know many people with more education than myself and have never been made to feel inferior by them, that part is strictly up to me. Anyways, Merry Christmas to all of humanity regardless of education, social-economic level, or opinion on the gun club issue! ;D

[Andy]

The way i see it you can voice your complaint about noise if you like its your right.

What i dont understand is you bought a home near a gun club and you knew exactly what you were getting with that home. You didnt have to buy the home near the gun club, but YOU did and now your crying about it.

i will do whatever i can to support the Gun club including donating $ to fight this in court.

Andy

[Jumping In]

We were all told by the developer that the city was going through a kind of Renaissance. We were not told that the gun club was going to close but we were told that the city was going through major changes and improvements. Many of us see the gun club closing as part of this process. It will make the city a better place to live in. For me, I wont have to have it wake me up in the mornings from the noise. I will be able to sleep in on the weekends. I wont be forced to hear it in my family room. I will be able to enjoy my backyard, the trails, the park and the natural beauty of the area without the contstant banging and sometimes unbelievable noises that come from the gun club.

I would be happy to give the city money to help close the gun club as well. I will do what ever I can to support the city.

I have nothing against the sport. I just believe that the club is in a bad location, given that the area around it has been developed over the last 50 years.

[Steve]

Guest-Jumping said:

We were all told by the developer that the city was going through a kind of Renaissance. We were not told that the gun club was going to close but we were told that the city was going through major changes and improvements. Many of us see the gun club closing as part of this process. It will make the city a better place to live in. For me, I wont have to have it wake me up in the mornings from the noise. I will be able to sleep in on the weekends. I wont be forced to hear it in my family room. I will be able to enjoy my backyard, the trails, the park and the natural beauty of the area without the contstant banging and sometimes unbelievable noises that come from the gun club.

I would be happy to give the city money to help close the gun club as well. I will do what ever I can to support the city.

I have nothing against the sport. I just believe that the club is in a bad location, given that the area around it has been developed over the last 50 years.

I agree with Jumping In. It is a quality of life issue that affects thousands of residents. My wife and I would be happy to donate money to the city as well.

[Mirador]

I live in the Mirador homes in Azusa. I agree with the residents and the city. I'm thankful that we have several residents in Azusa that are willing to finally speak up.

[Julio]

I live in North Azusa. I also support the city's decision. The city must do what is in the best interest of the city and its residents.

[Jennifer]

My husband and I would be interested in contibuting money to the city as well for this issue. It looks like this is a year for major changes in Azusa: the election, the downtown stores, the gun club issue, a new school district superintendent, the Monrovia Nursury should start to work on developing the land this year, the bike trail should be completed by the early part of this year, and the new information center should be built in the Spring. Wow, that is exciting and wonderful to see it happen all at the same time.

The current city council was pretty controversial at times, but I must say, they have sure turned the direction of this city around, and for that, my husband and I are very thankful. This city is moving in the direction of being as nice as the cities around it. Azusa deserves to be a nice city because Azusa is working so hard to become one! My husband and I want to thank the City Council for making the tough decsions that were and are necessary for the city to improve. And we want the City Council to know that we support them, verbally and financially.

[Chris]

I have been following all of the letters, city council meetings, and discussions with people around the community. I am a gun owner/collector, and I believe in the constitutional rights of the people and businesses in our USA..
It is the right and responsbility of the people not only of our MTN Cove community but also of the city of Azusa.
What I have seen is more of the City Council and the Mayor's office spurred by some local residents to get rid of the gun club, by rezoning the land status etc. I think that this is not the right way for people in charge to be managing things in the City of Azusa.
I am not taking the side of the club. I am sure that there is pollution (low level) from the lead and gunpowder from the expended rounds being fired and the sounds I am sure annoy some. I have researched information on lead content from expended bullets and gunpower residue. Please keep something in mind, the amount of dust and airpollution emmiting from the Rock Quarry during certain times of production and weather conditions are just as bad, but nobody seems to be too concerned. If the Gun Club has a cleanup plan and is willing to make improvements to its facility etc. then everyone should review this with them and the City Council, not just give it a once over and push it aside.
With regards to some of it legal issues, what business or city does not have it share of legal issues? Walmart just settled a $14million dollar lawsuit in California with the Federal and State Governent because of its illegal sales practice of firearms in California by not following the law properly.
If the Gun Clubs plans are not worthy of all residents, then we can discuss this as a collective body and either come up with better plans suited for the city and its residents or ask the Gun Club to leave.
We are not living in a War Zone.. Has anyone here ever been in a War Zone? I have and so has some of my family and our Mtn Cove is paradise vs. those "Real War Zones". I have heard the gunfire from the Gun Club and I feel it can be excessive at times, and this can be rectified if the Gun Club and the residents come to an agreement on sound reduction or a limit on the types of firearms being shot at the range. The big booms are from those big .50 caliber rifles that was just banned for sale in California by our beloved Govenor and frankly being a collector of firearms and a target shooter, I do not see the need for those big rifles to be used and shot except by police or military personal. There are some compromises that can be made with all parties.
We should allow all people here and in Azusa and the surrounding areas to make a proper determination and vote to allow the Gun Club to make some necessary and maybe some drastic changes and if it can't, then it should go, but we should give them a chance with the supervision of our the people, community and the city to make sure they would comply. If not then we can ask them formally to leave.
Oh and on the matter of property values, if everyone is so concernced about one Gun Club brining down our property values, I think everyone needs to come back to Earth!
The City of Azusa needs to fix a few things!
Number 1 is the downtown business district. Also the school district is not one of the very best compared to our neighbors especially Glendora, San Dimas, West Covina, La Verne, Claremont etc.
I know all about the City of Azusa is going to have the Monrovia Nursery developed and new homes and a promenade is going to be built, I have read the current development plans, but even the plans are a bit vague for business development. This City is very much behind our neighbors and it really sucks that my wife and I have to drive to Glendora, Arcadia, Monrovia, Duarte, Covina, San Dimas etc. to go shopping for everything we need and I am sure many others are in the same position and alot of our money, tax dollars goes to those cities, not ours!!! This city is not attracting people to it as other city's are. We need a stong base of people to add to the city and provide a wide foundation and encourage clean up, growth and expansion/redevelopment of this city. It is a city located in one of the most central and beautiful locations in Southern California, and yet when I speak to people about where I live, they all conjur up a somewhat negative degraded level of our city.
I previously lived in a North Orange County City where it had a very similar problem like Azusa currently has back in the late 80's. A new City Council was elected and they along with the backing of the citizens of Brea, CA rebuilt the city and its image and it is now a crown jewel of OC.
Azusa should become the Eastern LA County Crown Jewel City.
The Gun Club is not going to make things change or better weather it stays or goes! The City of Azusa, and its residents need to get together and figure out how this City can grow and become a city like no other in the area!
Just my input.

Thanks,
Chris
Rock Springs Way

[There is no ONE answer]

What should be #1 on your list is the quality of life and betterment of the pre-existing neighborhoods in Azusa. I keep seeing people talking about the central business district and Monrovia Nursery as if they'll be a mystical wand that will just spread their 'magic' and make Azusa all better. Honestly, new higher-end businesses will be reluctant to settle down is areas surrounded by graffiti and irresponsible homeowners blighting their front yards. Azusa has one of the most useless code enforcement forces I've ever seen. And if you ask the city council about it, they just toss Monrovia Nursery or even here Mountain Cove and say 'but look at what we did HERE.' If we want to improve the quality of life as an entire city, we as a city need to take a more proactive stance in improving the quality of life in the neighborhoods that were already here before us. Drive below 9th or 10th street - or even better go below the 210 fwy and you'll see, things definitely are not getting better, they're just getting ignored.

[Steve]

As for the graffiti, I have driven through most of Azusa and have not seen very much graffiti. I think that the city already has a graffiti abatement program. If you see graffiti, call the city to let them know so that they can remove it.

I don't think that the city has the legal ability to tell homeowners to upgrade their properties. The older homes of Azusa do not have CC&R's like we do. In addition, any time someone suggests a change in the city, no matter how small or large, there is always a group of people screaming to fight the change.

Monrovia had to go through the same thing before it became a nice city. I do feel that fixing up the downtown will result in improving the areas around it. Many people like to live near shops where they can walk to. Some people are even willing to pay more to do so. Creating a downtown that people will come to will encourage demand for even more investors into the surrounding areas. I have spoken to one homeowner that lives on a street parallel to the downtown and they told me that they as well as their neighbors have been all contacted recently by people wanting to by their properties as speculation investments. So that is a good sign there.

It does not usually work the other way around. You do not normally fix up the homes around the downtown and then fix up the downtown. I have never seen that happen.

What do you specifically think the city should do to improve the other parts of the city? Do you want the city to make it part of there redevelopment area to encourage developers? Maybe it would be feasible for an investor to offer the current homeowners in these areas brand new luxury townhomes with granite countertops and crown molding on the same property in exchange for their current property. The value would be the same or more as their current property. The investor would make money by building more unts on the lot. Creating a win-win-win-win situation for both the current homeowner, the investor, the city, and the residents.

The police department has been working very hard in these areas to minimize gang problems. And The Neighborhood Homework House is offering free tutoring to students in the poorest areas of the city. I don't agree with the opinion that these areas are being ignored. However, the issues are complicated and I'm not sure what the best options would be in regards to the people not taking care of their homes around the entire city.

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