Azusa Cannot Afford Rocha As Mayor

[summit2843]

Azusa cannot afford to have Joe Rocha as Mayor. It is difficult to analyze his stance on the important issues facing us because he flip flops his position on most of them. There are, however, two matters he is consistent on.

First, he wants to slow or stop the positive redevelopment plans for our city. Apparently, he prefers the status quo; which includes block after block of vacant buildings on Azusa Avenue instead of new shops, restaurants and affordable housing.

Second, he wants to increase spending on city services. He gives no clue as to where the additional funds will come from to provide these additional services. The ongoing redevelopment plan would bring additional tax revenue to the city that could pay for this increased spending, but Mr. Rocha opposes this plan. Without this additional tax base there is only one option left to him. He will raise taxes on the hard working citizens of our city.

It is obvious Mr. Rocha is nothing more than a flip flopping, tax and spend politician. We have any number of these in Washington D.C. and Azusa does not need one sitting in the Mayor’s seat. Let’s continue the positive momentum for a revitalized Azusa. Let’s re-elect Diane Chagnon as Mayor.

[summit2843]

Rreyes, your response was what I expected from a partisan political hack like you. Your false, and in my opinion, dafamatory comments about Mayor Chagnon reveals a lot about you, doesn't it?
I do note you did not take offense to my statement that Rocha is nothing more than a flip flopping, tax and spend politician. I imagine it is hard to rebut what you know is true.
By the way, my board name is in reference to the name of the mountain peak in back of Mountain Cove. If you actually lived in Mountain Cove perhaps you would know that.
One question for you, but I doubt with your track record that I will get an honest response from you. Just how many aliases do you use on this board?

[summit2843]

Sorry, rReyes, that just doesn't cut it. Let's see, your prior post started by accusing me of being a liar and you are worried about me suggesting you are who you are based on your track record here. Typical.
The issue is we have a Mayor now that is revitalizing the city without raising taxes which can only benefit all residents of Azusa. Meanwhile, we have a challenger, Rocha, who wants to increase city spending on services with no way to pay for it without raising taxes on the hard working folks in this city.
How many aliases did you say you have?

[wildcat]

RReyes,

I hate to be the one to break it to you but no one, and I mean no one cares who you are and if you're going to be sensitive about what summit has to say about the candidates then I suggest you refrain from using this website as a political platform because it always gets ugly and people will find out who you are eventually. You know what they say "If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen. By the way, you seem to be the one that is taking this all too personally not summit. Summit is entitled to his or her opinion and what gives you the right to attack it, which is EXACTLY what you did? Let's just vote on the issues without tearing each other apart in the process.

[wildcat]

By the way, someone told me that Joe's son is a registered sex offender and that his own brothers and sisters are suing him. Does anyone know if that's true?

[morecowbell]

Asking people to keep politics clean is like asking people to stay dry in the rain...it is a virtual impossibility. RReyes makes some good points...but Summit2843 makes a case by pointing out that absent a mechanism for funding additional services there is the implied (and reasonal) expectation that taxes will be raised.

I am not familiar wtih the issue of Rocha's son. But I do know that one can control another's behavior about as good as one can control the weather. No one should be demonized for someone elses misdeeds. If it is true, this topic has a place for politics as it is practiced, but not politics as it ought to be.

[summit2843]

Rreyes, your last post is hilarious and is wrong in all ways. First, I do not think you are the disgraced and dishonored ex-mayor Christina Madrid. I haven't given her a second thought since she left office. I am more concerned with her equally embarrassing sister, Andrea Cruz.
Second, I do, in fact, live in Mountain Cove so I guess that "more knowledgeable" person you spoke to has no knowledge at all.
O.K., I was honest with you so how about you being honest with me and with everyone else. Why don't you just admit you are on the Committee to elect Rocha and all of your comments here are based on "talking points" of his campaign. Tell the truth for once and I promise it will make you feel better.

[sparticus]

Let's look at some facts here about flip flopping:
#1) Diane made 2 trips to Mountain Cove with Vulcan representatives to sell us on the expansion of 80 additional acres to be mined from our hillsides. Arrangements were made for MC residents to go on a personalized guided tour of the Vulcan facility, which I attended. We were told by Vulcan reps that no reclamation of the hillside would be performed until after the 80 acre extension was granted. Shortly thereafter, many in this same group met with Assistant City Manager Bob Pearson on a holiday at a closed City Hall. He (Pearson) told us that the Vulcan expansion was a "done deal", and the city did not have the resources to take on Vulcan in court. Now with this election, our mayor is saying that she is against future mining expansion and emphasizes that she did not accept political donations in this years election. However, it is a matter of public record that she has in the past. No flip flopping here. *(sarcasm)*

#2) The Gun Club issue. Chagnon stated from the dais that she "stood shoulder-to-shoulder" with those who want the Gun Club gone, in the 2005 election. In the fall of 2006, with the 2007 municipal election on the horizon, she did not want the gun club closure to be an election issue again. Several of us MC residents met at a neighbor's house because Diane wanted us to meet with the Gun Club reps to work out an extension for the Gun Club to stay at their current site until December 2007. Again, no flip flopping here. *(more sarcasm)*

#3) This may not be considered a flip flop, but it sure has the same desperation appeal to get voters to support her for re-election. In 2005 Diane stated in her campaign literature that an Albertson's supermarket was coming to Azusa. Days after the election, a news article stated that Albertson's was NOT coming to Azusa. In 2007, her campaign literature again is stating that a Target store is coming to Azusa. There is an old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

[sparticus]

Just one more thought. To say that Joe Rocha is going to raise taxes is again irresponsible, and shows a lack of knowledge of how the city government functions. It would take the majority of the council to vote for a tax increase. So for all your foolish propaganda, it just shows how desperate you are to see Diane be re-elected. You can say what you want about Christina Madrid our former mayor, but keep in mind she served four full terms as mayor and left office on her own terms. Can you imagine how embarassing it will be when Diane Chagnon is voted out of office her first time up for re-election as mayor. Tune in tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel, because I can't wait to hear your lame excuse of why she lost. ;D

[athena]

Tsk, tsk, tsk.....summit....wildcat...how do you guys sleep at night??? (you are both gonna need stronger meds from now on!)

You both should be ashamed of yourselves....lies, personal untrue accusations....and more.....shame on you!
Why are you guys so personally invested in Chagnon's win or loss? Are you part of group of the outside developers who lined her pockets? (just check the story in the tribune or the filed forms with the city clerk for the facts on this one....no lies)

Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na.....hey....hey...hey ....Chagnon.......good bye!!!
Get used to it!

[athena]

Oh...by the way "summit"....Which by the way, is quite a joke....your name would be much more discriptive of your postings if it were "bottom dweller",

being that you are obviously part of the very small sect of our community who supports Chagnon..... you should already know that the posters here are not the same person don't you? Right???...yes you do.....don't lie now....your nose is growing bigger and bigger, now........

I'm sure you have already extracted that information from the moderators, right?
and you know what? Who cares!!!! You guys are not some sort of "Royalty" here. You are just people and residents like the rest of us and whatever comes of this election, it will affect the city as a whole not just the Cove.

Let's be ready to move on from this folks. Mr Rocha is a decent person and does not deserve this type of low down attacks on his family for taking time out of his life to serve you.

[summit2843]

Athena....your last post....HUH?
Athena is supposed to be the Goddess of Wisdom. You bear no resemblance to her.

[greylion]

Question: Does the moderator share our identities with others? I have seen this referenced a couple of times now and would like to know the answer to this question.

Moderator could you please clarify what your practice is regarding the releasing of this information.

[athena]

Summit,
You have no idea of the meaning of the word "wisdom"..... so you could hardly be expected to recognize it.

Greylion,
I can attest to the fact that during the previous election, my identity was indeed divulged to all of my neighbors who shared the moderator's political opinion and opposed my own.

One of my neighbors divulged that fact to me.
In all fairness, that particular moderator is now deceased.

[greylion]

Thank you Athena for the information regarding the previous moderator.

On behalf of all of the members of this Board, I would like to know the practice of the current moderator regarding the releasing of identity information. I think it is a fair question.

[morecowbell]

I too have seen references to identity disclosure on this board. greylion's request for clarification on this issue is more than reasonable. Can the moderator respond?

[DavieBoi]

Maybe it would have been a great idea to have all interested parties reserve the club house so all could converse the topics without the candidates so that important facts and issues could be out in the open? I think. But that should have happened prior to today.

[hulk79]

Ask your self a question who stands to gain with Mr. Rocha as Mayor, it is obvious your blind by the lies and and the false promises the former mayor made. Remember money is or cannot buy "Integrity", the people have gone to the polls and we have spoken, we want, need and we now have the best person for change in this city. Mr. Rocha has always had the citizen's concerns as on the top of his list. So reaaly ask your self who is better, a person like the former mayer who is in the back pockets of developers and opportunist or a man who is a true Giant, remember, you don't want to awaken a quit Giant and remember he carries a big stick and called the "Pluse of the people